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| Buyer: 69203(5-0-0) | Post#1 - Posted: 05/06/2007 at 06:02:39 |
| "U" should indicate manufacture by Union Hardware.If you Google "M1 carbine magazine codes" The first item is "M1/M2 Carbine Magazine FAQ". This lists known magazine codes. |
| Former Seller: Gun nut Bob(63-0-0) | Post#2 - Posted: 05/13/2007 at 20:24:51 |
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PONTIACDM; Originally the M 1 Carbine came with only a serial number on the rear of the receiver. The later rear sights made the manufacture difficult to see. But the serial number was visible enough. I have seen several of the reimports with serial numbers on everything. Ahead of the rear sight, one the barrel, stock, butt plate, ect. That could be because some of these other militaries were prone to lose parts and steal them from each other. With most all U. S. military weapons, they are suppose to be 100% interchangeable. So numbering the parts to any particular would partly eliminate that as while they might fit and function, the number would make the switched parts apparent. So if your M 1 Carbine has any extra serial numbers, even if there is no importers stamp on it, you can pretty well bet that some military besides the U. S. had used the weapon. The M1 Carbine used to be the most manufactured military in the World and the United States distributed them to most all of our allies. I do not believe that there has been any large destruction of M 1 Carbines. So present prices do not denote rarity. Just a neat little useless gun that everybody wants. I say useless because the cartridge does not have the knock down power needed in close quarters. Seems that the military thinking that caused it to be adopted was a bit fuzzy. Or just imagine an M 1 Carbine in a longer and more powerful 45 APC. Man, what a gun that would be. |
| Former Seller: CIMARRON(48-0-0) | Post#3 - Posted: 05/13/2007 at 21:40:26 |
| Gnb--I have been reading your posts for a couple years and always wondered why you ALWAYS refer to the 45acp as the 45apc. It don't realy bother me that much, I just never did figure it out. We have a club member at our range and he always refers to a ruger 10-22 as a ruger 22-10, its ok I guess but I keep waiting to hear someone call his 30-06 a 06-30 or his car having 6.00-16 tires or 16-600. go to the lumber yard and ask for a 4x2 eight feet long. |
| Seller: eastbank(22-0-0) | Post#4 - Posted: 05/14/2007 at 03:46:13 |
| years ago i bought two m-1 carbines from bill rodgers of springfield sportes fame, he said they came from the T.V.A dam. and were used to guard the dam during ww-2. the had their serial number also stamped into the stock. they all were in exellent con. and were 159.00,i wish i had enough sense to buy them all. P.S.GNB, we issued the m-1 and m-2 carbines to the viet civilians to help protect there vill,s and as most were 4'6" to 4'10" they loved the carbines. i saw a young man who had the worst looking nose you ever saw,all swelled up and black and blue, in a small fire fight he had fires his m-1 garand at th V.C. many times,and his thumb was jammed into his nose with every shot. he traded the m-1 garand for one of our m-1 carbines, and was happy as a clam. we always ran out of m-1 carbines before we ran out of people to give them to. so much for useless, eastbank. |
| Former Seller: Tuscahoma(184-0-0) | Post#5 - Posted: 05/14/2007 at 08:58:02 |
| Cimarron ,if you want to hear someone ask for a 4X2 go down to Cajun Country. Eastbank in the late 60's I was a TVA Public Safety Officer.We had M1 carbine's,I never saw 1 that would shoot with in a foot of the same place at 50 ft.Hope you did not get one of ours.They still had them in the late 70's.Thanks |
| Former Seller: CIMARRON(48-0-0) | Post#6 - Posted: 05/14/2007 at 13:47:12 |
| We had a cajun in boot camp,they issued him a pair of shoes first thing and he walked backwards for three days just to look at the tracks he was making. |
| Seller: eastbank(22-0-0) | Post#7 - Posted: 05/14/2007 at 16:29:46 |
| tuscahoma, thats about the right time frame,early 80,s is when springfield sporters had them.i have a m-1 carbine thats pretty beat up on the out side, but nice on the inside that will hit a quart oil can at 75 yds,with ball ammo just about every shot off hand. i took my boys to a pumpkin patch when they were young and left them shoot the old half rotten ones, from 25yds to 125 yds with the carbine. no they didn,t hit them all maybe not even half of them. but they did manage to hit a lot of them and you could tell by the rotten pieces flying in the air. eastbank. |
| Seller: joe.kat(24-0-0) | Post#8 - Posted: 05/16/2007 at 07:28:42 |
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It gives all the codes for every part and identifies the 'U' code on a mag as being manufactured by Underwood - that would be the typewritter people if you all remember what a typewritter is. As the wartime production put a strain on all manutacturers it was not uncommon to find parts of different manufacturers mixed on new guns as manufacturers procured parts from various manufacturers to meet quotas. And as was previous pointed out the parts on all US M1 Carbines were to be interchangable for field repairs and upgrades, ie M2, slide upgrade, mag catch upgrades, etc. This book tells about the mixed parts coming on new guns. I have 20+ carbines include a Peterson - and clinton did issue and executive order to have all surplus guns destroyed rather than be offered to civilians through the DCM. It took a law through Congress to stop it. But, as a result of clinton's gun bans he did stop the importation of any of the Carbines that are still in 3rd world arsonals. |
| Buyer: databros(1-0-0) | Post#9 - Posted: 05/16/2007 at 08:27:35 |
| CIMARRON.......RE: GNB's use of 45 APC, instead of 45 ACP. Seems like I remember us dogfaces calling aspirin tablets 'APC's'(All Purpose Capsules). Maybe GNB had a bad headache that never went away ever since then. heh, heh |
| Buyer: 5thcommjarhead(31-0-0) | Post#10 - Posted: 05/16/2007 at 14:40:22 |
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GNB - How would you like to get hit with a .357 mag round at close range? Look up the ballistic performance of the .30 carbine round and that of the .357 mag and I'll bet you'll see some pretty close numbers. The M1 carbine was never intended as a main battle rifle, though it ended up being used as one. It was issued to frontline leaders expected to direct, not fight, and rear echelon troops not expected to face direct combat after it was discovered that most GI's couldn't hit a bull in the a** with a .45 pistol. The ideal would have been a .45 carbine,i.e., short range but great stopping power in a package friendly to most of the troops. I'm guessing from the reading I've done that the carbine ended up being a front-line weapon because the troops liked the carbine's light weight and extra rounds in a magazine which could be topped off, unlike the M-1 Garand. An enemy shot twice with a carbine was just as dead as one shot once with the Garand. |