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Thread Admin: Joes Custom Guns (214-1-1) Posted: 01/08/2007 at 17:20:11
Total Posts: 38
Thread Title: "WHITCH MUZZLE LOADER DO YOU LIKE BEST"
I like 40 cal. for target shooting

I like 45 cal. for Deer hunting,becaus it is faster and flater shooting,with 195 gr.powerbelt and 150 grs. powder it will put any Deer down with one shot if you do your part

I also have a 50 cal. for elk and Bear

I have a 54 cal.Custom Build,not sure what my plans was when I had it built,It has been in my safe for five years and so far it has neved fired

Please tell whitch cal. that you prefer and why

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Seller: axolotl(106-0-0) Post#1 - Posted: 01/08/2007 at 19:25:50

TC hawken 50cal; go anywhere, do most anything. reliable and accurate with 465 gr buffalo bullet. TC seneca 36 cal: it just fun. axolot;

Seller: Elitist(83-0-0) Post#2 - Posted: 01/09/2007 at 04:43:28

Been using a T/C New Englander in .54 for several years. It has taken seven deer, every one a one-shot kill. I use round balls, not sabots; at woodland ranges with 90 grain FFG the balls will go completely through a deer sideways every time.

Former Seller: c3shooter(28-0-0) Post#3 - Posted: 01/09/2007 at 06:50:59

Some states (Colorado) won't let you use anything under 50 for big game. Have had a couple of different traditional style charcoal burners- really like my TC Hawken in 50. VERY accurate, reasonable weight to carry, likes the 50 cal MAXI, will fold a deer up in a blink. Have not tried the in-line, 209, saboted, scoped, pelleted rifles- I have 308s for that!

Seller: sandpaddle(5-0-0) Post#4 - Posted: 01/09/2007 at 14:28:58

I'm a traditonal shooter myself being true to round ball and the blackpowder. I typically shoot and favor my T/C Hawken .50 for deer and my T/C Big Bore .58 for Elk. If I'm just doing some plinking I will use the Seneca .45. I have pretty much all the commen calibers of the Thompsen Center brand minus a .32 Cherokee which I'm still trying to find at a decent price. I just bought a Austin & Halleck Mountain Rifle a month back but haven'nt shot it yet. I have numorous CVA's, Traditions, Lyman's as well as a few other brands. My dad shoots a custom built .62 that will drop a moose like a ton of *%#@&*t, but now I'm getting carried away...........sorry. You can't go wrong with a Thompsen Center of any caliber or style (I do have a T/C Scout .54, my one and only inline) for I don't think there is nothing better. Last of all I am looking for parts and pieces to finish a Browning Mountain Rifle for I picked up a prototype Browning barrel with the serial # of no.2 in .45 caliber and the date of 7/7/77. Please let me know.

Buyer: amn51(254-0-0) Post#5 - Posted: 01/09/2007 at 14:58:46

I recently acquired a Savage Model 10ML-II in 50 Cal. In addition to black powder or substitute, it is designed for use of modeern smokeless propellants. The instruction manual calls for 43gr of IMR SR4759 with a 250 or 300 gr sabot. Performance is rated at 2225 fps and 3300 fpe with the 300 gr sabot. I haven't been able to go out on the range with it yet but am looking forward to it.

Thread Admin: Joes Custom Guns(214-1-1) Post#6 - Posted: 01/09/2007 at 16:28:55

For those of you that hunt in a State that only requires that a Muzzle Loader be loaded from the Muzzle end,then there is a Custom 45cal. out now that will give 3150 fps.with smokeless powder and a 200gr. bullet

All that I see of a rifle like this is that it is a single shot,whitch might be a good thing as it might quite the anti-hunters some

Former Seller: Gun nut Bob(63-0-0) Post#7 - Posted: 01/09/2007 at 20:11:10

cyro; The only one that can quiet a GUNFOBIC is an undertaker.

In the give and take on the gun question it is all give by the gun people and all take by the GUNFOBICS. So the less we worry about what will make them happy the better off we will be.

When muzzle loaders were the only guns available there was the Lindsey 2 shot musket, harmonica guns and guns where the charges were stacked one of top of the other. As each shot was fired the nipple hole was sealed and the whole lock and the nipple slide back to the next charge. And of course revolving rifles if you did not value your hand on the forend.

It does not take a whole lot of imagination to see all the potentual problems with a stacked charge gun. But because self contained cartridges came along about the same time, stacked charge guns were not developed.

On original muzzle loaders, I found that putting a hefty charge of black powder in and then patching one ball on top of the other was very effective. The two balls hit about a half inch or so from each other and make for surer kills in any vital area of the game. It takes some time on the range to develop the correct charge. Or another reason to go shooting, as if we needed one.

Former Seller: Gun nut Bob(63-0-0) Post#8 - Posted: 01/09/2007 at 20:39:16

John Browning's Father built harmonica guns successfully.

Now just imagine if you will, if on a harmonica gun, you took advantage of the tendency for the hammer to blow back to full cock if the hole in the nipple is to large and arranged it so when the hammer blew back to full cock, it moved the harmonca to the next chamber and had an interrupted to disconnect the trigger until it was released? You would have a semi-automatic muzzle loader. Or the gun could be recoil operated.

So with spare harmonicas to be inserted in the gun like a stripper or packet clip of cartridges, how many rounds could you put off in a minute?

To keep the barrel from fouling to fast you put a small charge of like 4759 as the base of the load. Or even build the whole thing to use smokeless powder.

In jurisdictions where the only requirement is you do not use self contained cartridges, using a harmonica gun would be the deal. I wonder just how long that would last? With enough spare harmonicas, you would never need to reload all hunting season.

Actually, no matter what gun I carried all the deer I have ever shot were one shot kills. So the need for these extra shots for me have never been necessary. But I sure like to have them.

Because I hunt to use firearms rather then using firearms to hunt, I have never felt the need for any exotic hunting trips. Just deer or pigs are fine for me. Don't much care for traveling either.

Seller: drilem(58-0-0) Post#9 - Posted: 01/10/2007 at 02:34:10

CYRO - THANK YOU FOR STARTING THIS POST.BEEN HUNTING ALL MY LIFE BUT JUST RECENTLY (IN THE LAST 3 YEARS) CONSIDERED MUZZLE LOADERS.PUT IN FOR A LOT OF HUNTS BUT NOT PICKED AS OF YET. THE INFO HERE WILL HELP ME DECIDE HOW TO OUTFIT MYSELF WHEN I DRAW.MIGHT PESTER EVERYONE FOR MORE INFO IN THE FUTURE.

Seller: Elitist(83-0-0) Post#10 - Posted: 01/10/2007 at 07:05:17

drilem, muzzle-loaders are "real" guns by any measure, and in the past 14 years since Virginia started its special season, I've killed as many with one of those as with a conventional rifle, maybe more.

I'm of the opinion that muzzle-loaders make you a better hunter. When you KNOW you have only one shot and that it takes about a minute to reload, you learn fire discipline and self control. There's no "spray and pray" option.

I don't have anything against in-lines (my first M/L was one) but I also think that the current trend towards faster and faster velocities from M/L rifles is silly. (The Savage 110ML is a bad idea whose days are numbered; I can't imagine how their lawyers let them put it on the market, the gun is just waiting for some nitwit to use Bullseye instead of 4198.) Lewis and Clark made it to the Pacific and back shooting .54 round balls, and there's nothing with four feet or two east of the Mississippi you can't handle with a .54 and a moderate load of powder. To read the catalogs you would think whitetails are armor-plated and nothing short of a 155mm howitzer would even dent them; but Americans are enamored of the fallacy of light bullets and high velocity, so this stuff sells, and sells well.

Stick with a quality brand. That means a "name" like T/C or Lyman, perhaps some of the Traditions rifles (though I'm not much of a fan of their products) and one or two others. T/C was recently bought by Smith & Wesson, of all people, but in the past they have always been a first-rate outfit making first-rate products.

If you find your deer are too big for a .54, take the next step up, and buy one of those beautiful Pedersoli double rifles in .72 caliber. I have one I plan to take to Africa or Alaska some day. Anything I can't kill with that I don't want to be in the same county with. The barrels look like highway tunnels and a 535-grain round ball (720 grain conicals) is nothing to sneeze at.

The nice thing about the big bullet/low velocity equation is that there is little meat damage even from large calibers. As the saying goes, you can "eat right up to the hole," yet they are very, very effective and efficient killing machines.

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